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Thanks to Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords for scribing this week!

The transcript for the call is now available here:

https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-09-10/

Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes.
Audio of the meeting is available at the following location:

https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-09-10/audio.ogg

A video recording is also available at:

https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-weekly-2024-09-10.mp4

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W3C CCG Weekly Teleconference Transcript for 2024-09-10

Agenda:
https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%5BAGENDA&period_month=Sep&period_year=2024&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-credentials&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date
Organizer:
Harrison Tang, Kimberly Linson, Will Abramson
Scribe:
Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords
Present:
Harrison Tang, Will Abramson, Hiroyuki Sano, Andrew Trask, Erica
Connell, Benjamin Young, Kimberly Linson, Vanessa, Joe Andrieu,
Manu Sporny, James Chartrand, Dmitri Zagidulin, Leo, Patrick
St-Louis, Nis Jespersen , Lucy Yang, Alex H, PL, Kaliya Young,
Jeff O - HumanOS, Kerri Lemoie, Eric, bengo, Jennie M, TallTed //
Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com)

Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
Harrison_Tang: Give me a second.
Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
Manu Sporny: Yeah I can just do 1 I haven't done 1 in in years
um I my name's Moni I'm 1 of the uh lead editors and architects
of a number of global standards around digital credentials uh
notably privacy preserving credentials um uh I've also worked
with um I think some of your colleagues uh at uh and uh openai
and a number of other um kind of AI companies on this new proof
of personhood.
Manu Sporny: Paper yeah the the personhood credentials paper um
and we're trying to figure out a way of uh translating the needs
in that paper to uh Global standards here um so we kind of
incubate those things in this group and then we take it through
the global standards track at the internet engineering task force
or the worldwide Web Consortium so I'm 1 of many people in this
community that tries to make the web uh a better more privacy
preserving uh thing for uh humanity and so really appreciate the
work that uh you're doing um in that same vein that's it.
Manu Sporny: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2024-breakouts/issues/37
Manu Sporny: Sorry just just a few um so uh the w3c uh in-person
technical plenary is coming up um at the end of this month uh so
that's going to be several hundred of us uh in Anaheim California
um 1 of the breakout sessions is on and I'll put a link to this
in the chat Channel um on uh the future future standards and
Innovations for w3c verifiable credentials um we are going to be
covering a lot of stuff that's an incubation in this uh group uh
so render method confidence method unlabel ecdsa cryptography
Suites uh verifiable credential barcodes verifiable credential
API uh transmitting verifiable credentials over Wireless near
field communication peer-to-peer and then a variety of vocabulary
work so that link takes you to the breakout session um I believe
the I I don't know if this is true I think the breakout sessions
are.
Manu Sporny: Open to.
Manu Sporny: And you can attend remotely um but I'm not not
positive about that um so just a heads up there uh the other note
is that uh we are continuing to finalize the global standards
track stuff for verifiable credentials data Integrity uh in the
verified credential working group uh we are continuing to pick up
uh implementers I think we have.
Manu Sporny: 11 To 15 now which is great um uh in just a a call
out if you are working on an implementation for any of the global
standards uh please let us know so we can count you in the number
of implementations uh that's it from me.
<manu_sporny> No, please give an intro
<patrick_st.> an introduction would be really useful for me
<tallted_//_ted_thibodeau_(he/him)_(openlinksw.com)> Hmm.
Transcriber doesn't appear to be hearing Andrew. Does that mean
the recording will also lack his voice?
<manu_sporny> recording will have his voice.
<harrison_tang> yeah, transcriber doesn't work for non-US inputs,
but the recording (video and audio) will work.
Our Robot Overlords are scribing.
Patrick St-Louis: Was that just me no okay.
Manu Sporny: No a bunch of us got kicked off.
Patrick St-Louis: I was getting pretty juicy.
<bengo> 😅
<manu_sporny> /me calls his lawyer. :P
Harrison_Tang: Yes uh well Andrew uh thank you for a great great
presentation I really enjoy it um now in the last uh example you
gave is it a home more morphic encryption where you you just like
encrypt data and do calculations on it and uh if it's not how is
homomorphic encryption calculations different from multi-party
computation.
<bengo> 🚀 https://docs.rs/risc0-zkvm/latest/risc0_zkvm/
Harrison_Tang: Got it sorry a quick follow-up question uh like
earlier so you mentioned about performance trade-offs like what
is the uh practical applications uh because like we we actually
try it like 4 years ago on the homomorphic uh encryption it was
like really really slow so basically practically speaking is not
very usable so like how how is how has that advanced like uh in
the recent times in terms of performance.
Manu Sporny: Uh thanks uh Andrew that that was fantastic a great
presentation thank you um uh 1 of the things I'm wondering is
about you know what what can we be working on that's going to
help um you know your initiatives I think what's what's missing
right now is kind of the glue that binds our community together
with the um kind of the the the AI community so you know we've
got tools and we are actively working on zero knowledge proof uh
mechanisms Advanced ones Beyond just like you know BBS and things
like that so cryptographic circuits and um zkm and snarks and
snarks and you know all all that kind of stuff um but we largely
think in kind of you know single credentials like a driver's
license or a passport or a or a health checkup right I mean you
you can have you know education certificates that kind of thing
that are held in people's you know private data stores or digital
wallets um and and so and there and everything's digitally signed
by issuer so this is you know.
Manu Sporny: As as you.
Manu Sporny: You have said hi.
Manu Sporny: Trusted data that is sitting with an individual um
and and we have ways of doing a zero knowledge proof on that
information that we're holding and then presenting it to in
general to the public or to a to a specific thing um but but I
think the thing that's missing is we we don't understand um what
other things we should be working on that would be high value to
your community right so so like you know what are the you know we
we've got we've got a set of Technologies and we could run down
them and say this is what they do and here's how we think it can
help you but we don't have someone from your side going yeah but
what we really need is X.
<wendy_seltzer_(she/her)> Why HTTPS?
Manu Sporny: Okay that's very helpful and and how do we keep in
touch with you um that's the that's I think the key thing is that
this is this needs to be an ongoing conversation so we need to
figure out how we keep the conversation going Beyond this um this
meeting.
<wendy_seltzer_(she/her)> (would love to follow up, but need to
leave now)
<andrew_trask> slack.openmined.org
Manu Sporny: Got it thank.
<harrison_tang> thank you, Andrew!
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