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Thanks to Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords for scribing this week! | ||
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The transcript for the call is now available here: | ||
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https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-09-10/ | ||
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Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. | ||
Audio of the meeting is available at the following location: | ||
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https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2024-09-10/audio.ogg | ||
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A video recording is also available at: | ||
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https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/archives/w3c-ccg-weekly-2024-09-10.mp4 | ||
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W3C CCG Weekly Teleconference Transcript for 2024-09-10 | ||
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Agenda: | ||
https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%5BAGENDA&period_month=Sep&period_year=2024&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-credentials&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date | ||
Organizer: | ||
Harrison Tang, Kimberly Linson, Will Abramson | ||
Scribe: | ||
Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords and Our Robot Overlords | ||
Present: | ||
Harrison Tang, Will Abramson, Hiroyuki Sano, Andrew Trask, Erica | ||
Connell, Benjamin Young, Kimberly Linson, Vanessa, Joe Andrieu, | ||
Manu Sporny, James Chartrand, Dmitri Zagidulin, Leo, Patrick | ||
St-Louis, Nis Jespersen , Lucy Yang, Alex H, PL, Kaliya Young, | ||
Jeff O - HumanOS, Kerri Lemoie, Eric, bengo, Jennie M, TallTed // | ||
Ted Thibodeau (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com) | ||
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Our Robot Overlords are scribing. | ||
Harrison_Tang: Give me a second. | ||
Our Robot Overlords are scribing. | ||
Manu Sporny: Yeah I can just do 1 I haven't done 1 in in years | ||
um I my name's Moni I'm 1 of the uh lead editors and architects | ||
of a number of global standards around digital credentials uh | ||
notably privacy preserving credentials um uh I've also worked | ||
with um I think some of your colleagues uh at uh and uh openai | ||
and a number of other um kind of AI companies on this new proof | ||
of personhood. | ||
Manu Sporny: Paper yeah the the personhood credentials paper um | ||
and we're trying to figure out a way of uh translating the needs | ||
in that paper to uh Global standards here um so we kind of | ||
incubate those things in this group and then we take it through | ||
the global standards track at the internet engineering task force | ||
or the worldwide Web Consortium so I'm 1 of many people in this | ||
community that tries to make the web uh a better more privacy | ||
preserving uh thing for uh humanity and so really appreciate the | ||
work that uh you're doing um in that same vein that's it. | ||
Manu Sporny: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2024-breakouts/issues/37 | ||
Manu Sporny: Sorry just just a few um so uh the w3c uh in-person | ||
technical plenary is coming up um at the end of this month uh so | ||
that's going to be several hundred of us uh in Anaheim California | ||
um 1 of the breakout sessions is on and I'll put a link to this | ||
in the chat Channel um on uh the future future standards and | ||
Innovations for w3c verifiable credentials um we are going to be | ||
covering a lot of stuff that's an incubation in this uh group uh | ||
so render method confidence method unlabel ecdsa cryptography | ||
Suites uh verifiable credential barcodes verifiable credential | ||
API uh transmitting verifiable credentials over Wireless near | ||
field communication peer-to-peer and then a variety of vocabulary | ||
work so that link takes you to the breakout session um I believe | ||
the I I don't know if this is true I think the breakout sessions | ||
are. | ||
Manu Sporny: Open to. | ||
Manu Sporny: And you can attend remotely um but I'm not not | ||
positive about that um so just a heads up there uh the other note | ||
is that uh we are continuing to finalize the global standards | ||
track stuff for verifiable credentials data Integrity uh in the | ||
verified credential working group uh we are continuing to pick up | ||
uh implementers I think we have. | ||
Manu Sporny: 11 To 15 now which is great um uh in just a a call | ||
out if you are working on an implementation for any of the global | ||
standards uh please let us know so we can count you in the number | ||
of implementations uh that's it from me. | ||
<manu_sporny> No, please give an intro | ||
<patrick_st.> an introduction would be really useful for me | ||
<tallted_//_ted_thibodeau_(he/him)_(openlinksw.com)> Hmm. | ||
Transcriber doesn't appear to be hearing Andrew. Does that mean | ||
the recording will also lack his voice? | ||
<manu_sporny> recording will have his voice. | ||
<harrison_tang> yeah, transcriber doesn't work for non-US inputs, | ||
but the recording (video and audio) will work. | ||
Our Robot Overlords are scribing. | ||
Patrick St-Louis: Was that just me no okay. | ||
Manu Sporny: No a bunch of us got kicked off. | ||
Patrick St-Louis: I was getting pretty juicy. | ||
<bengo> 😅 | ||
<manu_sporny> /me calls his lawyer. :P | ||
Harrison_Tang: Yes uh well Andrew uh thank you for a great great | ||
presentation I really enjoy it um now in the last uh example you | ||
gave is it a home more morphic encryption where you you just like | ||
encrypt data and do calculations on it and uh if it's not how is | ||
homomorphic encryption calculations different from multi-party | ||
computation. | ||
<bengo> 🚀 https://docs.rs/risc0-zkvm/latest/risc0_zkvm/ | ||
Harrison_Tang: Got it sorry a quick follow-up question uh like | ||
earlier so you mentioned about performance trade-offs like what | ||
is the uh practical applications uh because like we we actually | ||
try it like 4 years ago on the homomorphic uh encryption it was | ||
like really really slow so basically practically speaking is not | ||
very usable so like how how is how has that advanced like uh in | ||
the recent times in terms of performance. | ||
Manu Sporny: Uh thanks uh Andrew that that was fantastic a great | ||
presentation thank you um uh 1 of the things I'm wondering is | ||
about you know what what can we be working on that's going to | ||
help um you know your initiatives I think what's what's missing | ||
right now is kind of the glue that binds our community together | ||
with the um kind of the the the AI community so you know we've | ||
got tools and we are actively working on zero knowledge proof uh | ||
mechanisms Advanced ones Beyond just like you know BBS and things | ||
like that so cryptographic circuits and um zkm and snarks and | ||
snarks and you know all all that kind of stuff um but we largely | ||
think in kind of you know single credentials like a driver's | ||
license or a passport or a or a health checkup right I mean you | ||
you can have you know education certificates that kind of thing | ||
that are held in people's you know private data stores or digital | ||
wallets um and and so and there and everything's digitally signed | ||
by issuer so this is you know. | ||
Manu Sporny: As as you. | ||
Manu Sporny: You have said hi. | ||
Manu Sporny: Trusted data that is sitting with an individual um | ||
and and we have ways of doing a zero knowledge proof on that | ||
information that we're holding and then presenting it to in | ||
general to the public or to a to a specific thing um but but I | ||
think the thing that's missing is we we don't understand um what | ||
other things we should be working on that would be high value to | ||
your community right so so like you know what are the you know we | ||
we've got we've got a set of Technologies and we could run down | ||
them and say this is what they do and here's how we think it can | ||
help you but we don't have someone from your side going yeah but | ||
what we really need is X. | ||
<wendy_seltzer_(she/her)> Why HTTPS? | ||
Manu Sporny: Okay that's very helpful and and how do we keep in | ||
touch with you um that's the that's I think the key thing is that | ||
this is this needs to be an ongoing conversation so we need to | ||
figure out how we keep the conversation going Beyond this um this | ||
meeting. | ||
<wendy_seltzer_(she/her)> (would love to follow up, but need to | ||
leave now) | ||
<andrew_trask> slack.openmined.org | ||
Manu Sporny: Got it thank. | ||
<harrison_tang> thank you, Andrew! |
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