'?' navigation operator

[felipedrumond]

Is there any navigation operator for html rendering properties?

{ bookingFlow.nextStep.question } throws an exception when 'nextStep' is undefined. That exception could be bypassed using a navigation operator '?' { bookingFlow.nextStep**?**.question }, therefore making a expression like this possible:

// if nextStep is neither undefined nor null, displays its question property value, otherwise, displays the startingQuestion
{ bookingFlow.nextStep?.question || bookingFlow.startingQuestion }

[chris-morgan]

There’s a Stage 1 proposal for this in JavaScript: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-optional-chaining.

[Rich-Harris]

I don't think Svelte should be in the business of adding non-standard JavaScript inside expressions — there are plenty of ways to deal with this scenario. We could maybe consider whether we want to expose a way to allow things like Babel to manipulate JS expressions inside the template, but it shouldn't be built in to Svelte until it's a part of JavaScript, so I'll close this.

[xamgore]

Optional chaining proposal is at stage 3 now. Also landed in Typescript 3.7.

[snaerth]

Stage 4 now and in Chrome 80 as well. It is coming!

[ioannist]

standard or not yet standard, it is super handy :D +1 for null propagation operator

[Conduitry]

The last I checked, Acorn did not support parsing this, because the ESTree AST wasn't final yet, which would be a prerequisite for working on this.

[deadit]

What about now?

[Conduitry]

No. The PRs to watch are acornjs/acorn#890 and acornjs/acorn#891

[adamduncan]

Looks like nullish coalescing is merged. 🤞 on the optional chaining...

Related: #4701

[russelgal]

Finally:
Add support for optional chaining (?.).
https://github.com/acornjs/acorn/releases/tag/7.3.0

[Conduitry]

Oh, awesome! That's exciting

[frederikhors]

@Conduitry how can I help with this?

[avimar]

Assuming this merged update means this will now work with the compiler?

Will this be available within the template too, e.g. {#if object?.property?.result}

Are we expecting a new release soon?

Thanks!

[Conduitry]

This is now supported in 3.24.0. It works in templates as well as the <script> tag, yes.

[avimar]

https://svelte.dev/repl/7b67c23b82e84cd9bdc634fea392d025?version=3.24.0

I'm getting a warning on the bottom name is not defined when using name?.test

Is this just a warning?

[j3rem1e]

In your repl, the variable is spelled "names", not "name"

[avimar]

Exactly, am I misunderstanding? I thought it can check if the top level variable is not existent too.

[trbrc]

It can check if it’s null or undefined, but not if it isn’t even declared. You can only check that with typeof name.

[voscausa]

3.24.0 optional chaning works fine for me in dev mode. But when I try to build I receive:

if (accounts.map[a_id]?.dirtyYears?.includes(year)) {
[!] (plugin terser) SyntaxError: Unexpected token: punc (.)

[tanhauhau]

@voscausa Optional chaining is not yet supported by Terser, terser/terser#567

[mvolkmann]

Shouldn't this issue have been left open until optional chaining and nullish coalescing work when "npm run build" is run? Having them only with with "npm run dev" seems like it's only good for experimenting.

[trbrc]

@mvolkmann Whether npm run build uses Terser depends on your configuration, and is outside of Svelte's control, at least for this repo. It might make sense to bring up in sveltejs/template.

[mvolkmann]

I wasn't viewing sveltejs/template as separate from Svelte because I thought that's mostly the recommended way to start new Svelte projects. But I will create an issue there if it doesn't already exist.

[avimar]

Originally posted by @benmccann in sveltejs/template#134 (comment)

Here's the terser issue to track for reference: terser/terser#567

[shirakaba]

Am I right in understanding that code using optional chaining would still be able to build with Terser as long as you used svelte-preprocess to make Babel transpile the optional-chaining syntax to less modern expressions that Terser would be more likely to support?

[avimar]

Am I right in understanding that code using optional chaining would still be able to build with Terser as long as you used svelte-preprocess to make Babel transpile the optional-chaining syntax to less modern expressions that Terser would be more likely to support?

Just based on playing with rollup in the past, you would need a svelte specific bablel config. You can simply transpire before it gets to the terser.

[antony]

It's easier to discuss usage on discord - but you don't use babel inside Svelte preprocess, you just add it to your rollup configuration, and this is the way to get it working with terser.

[mvolkmann]

@antony Is it correct to say that if we really want to use optional chaining now, there is a way to configure Rollup so that terser will work, but we expect this to be fixed in terser soon so that we don't have to configure Rollup in order for it to work?

[shirakaba]

@avimar I'm not sure what you mean differently by setting up a "Svelte-specific babel config". I think that was what I was suggesting.

you don't use babel inside Svelte preprocess, you just add it to your rollup configuration, and this is the way to get it working with terser.

@antony I'm not sure what you mean differently, again – the Rollup config can define the Babel config to be passed into Svelte Preprocess, and that's exactly what's recommended in the context of supporting optional chaining and nullish coalescing in the docs for svelte-preprocess that I linked:

import preprocess from 'svelte-preprocess'
  ...
  preprocess: preprocess({
    babel: {
      presets: [
        [
          '@babel/preset-env',
          {
            loose: true,
            // No need for babel to resolve modules
            modules: false,
            targets: {
              // ! Very important. Target es6+
              esmodules: true,
            },
          },
        ],
      ],
    },
  });
  ...

(Not to say that this is exactly the Babel config you'd need, but that's how the docs describe to pass a Babel config to Svelte Preprocess).

[shirakaba]

I have this working now.

1. Ensure you have Svelte version 3.24.0 or higher, as that supports Optional Chaining and Nullish Coalescing without requiring any svelte-preprocess step. That is to say, this version of the Svelte compiler understands those features directly.
2. Introduce a babel transpilation step (i.e. in your Rollup config's plugins array) before your code is read by Terser.

Here's my exact config:

rollup.config.js

import svelte from 'rollup-plugin-svelte';
import resolve from '@rollup/plugin-node-resolve';
import commonjs from '@rollup/plugin-commonjs';
import livereload from 'rollup-plugin-livereload';
import { terser } from 'rollup-plugin-terser';
import babel from 'rollup-plugin-babel';

const production = !process.env.ROLLUP_WATCH;

export default {
  input: 'src/main.js',
  output: {
    sourcemap: !production,
    format: 'iife',
    name: 'app',
    file: 'public/build/bundle.js'
  },
  plugins: [
    svelte({
      // enable run-time checks when not in production
      dev: !production,
      // we'll extract any component CSS out into
      // a separate file - better for performance
      css: css => {
        css.write('public/build/bundle.css');
      }
    }),

    // If you have external dependencies installed from
    // npm, you'll most likely need these plugins. In
    // some cases you'll need additional configuration -
    // consult the documentation for details:
    // https://github.com/rollup/plugins/tree/master/packages/commonjs
    resolve({
      browser: true,
      dedupe: ['svelte']
    }),
    babel({
      extensions: ['.js', '.mjs', '.html', '.svelte'],
      include: ['src/**', 'node_modules/svelte/**'],
    }),
    commonjs(),

    // In dev mode, call `npm run start` once
    // the bundle has been generated
    !production && serve(),

    // Watch the `public` directory and refresh the
    // browser on changes when not in production
    !production && livereload('public'),

    // If we're building for production (npm run build
    // instead of npm run dev), minify
    production && terser()
  ],
  watch: {
    clearScreen: false
  }
};

function serve() {
  let started = false;

  return {
    writeBundle() {
      if (!started) {
        started = true;

        require('child_process').spawn('npm', ['run', 'start', '--', '--dev'], {
          stdio: ['ignore', 'inherit', 'inherit'],
          shell: true
        });
      }
    }
  };
}

babel.config.js

module.exports = {
  presets: [
    [
      '@babel/preset-env',
      {
        targets: {
          firefox: "51",
          safari: "602.2.14",
        },
        corejs: '3.6',
        useBuiltIns: 'usage',
        shippedProposals: false,
      },
    ],
  ],
};

I also have the following dependencies to support the Babel transpilation:

{
  "name": "some-svelte-app",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "scripts": {},
  "devDependencies": {
    "@babel/core": "^7.10.2",
    "@babel/preset-env": "^7.10.2",
    "@rollup/plugin-commonjs": "^11.1.0",
    "@rollup/plugin-node-resolve": "^7.1.3",
    "rollup": "^1.32.1",
    "rollup-plugin-babel": "^4.4.0",
    "rollup-plugin-livereload": "^1.3.0",
    "rollup-plugin-svelte": "^5.2.2",
    "rollup-plugin-terser": "^5.3.0",
    "svelte": "^3.24.0"
  },
  "dependencies": {
    "core-js": "^3.6.5",
    "sirv-cli": "^0.4.6"
  }
}

Note: I'm a novice with Core JS and at setting up Babel so there may be some redundancy in there, but anyway, this config does work (and indeed fails on the Terser step if you omit the babel() step).

Results:

// Original code in a .svelte file
const whatever = document.getElementById("sdgh")?.style?.height ?? "123px";
console.log(`whatever returned ${whatever}`);

// Code emitted after Babel transpilation
const whatever = (_document$getElementB = (_document$getElementB2 = document.getElementById("sdgh")) === null || _document$getElementB2 === void 0 ? void 0 : (_document$getElementB3 = _document$getElementB2.style) === null || _document$getElementB3 === void 0 ? void 0 : _document$getElementB3.height) !== null && _document$getElementB !== void 0 ? _document$getElementB : "123px";
console.log(`whatever returned ${whatever}`);

// Code emitted after Terser minification of the Babel output from above
m=null!==(i=null===(a=document.getElementById("sdgh"))||void 0===a||null===(s=a.style)||void 0===s?void 0:s.height)&&void 0!==i?i:"123px";return console.log("whatever returned "+m)

[benmccann]

This is now supported by terser. I filed a request to add it to rollup-plugin-terser: TrySound/rollup-plugin-terser#85

[TrySound]

See TrySound/rollup-plugin-terser#84 (comment)

[benmccann]

Thanks for the clarification! I've sent a PR to upgrade the svelte template so that new users get this by default: sveltejs/template#164