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Great idea, but I don't think Element currently has the ability to recall a Graph (aka "preset") from an incoming MIDI Program Change message (at least I can't figure out how), but I agree that this is an important feature for many live applications. A build your own "performance mode" with large GUI buttons to recall "favorite" Graphs using a touch-screen input would also be useful, especially if there were a few sliders and buttons available to make adjustments, like a button that could be mapped to delay time, or a slider to control reverb room size between a predetermined min and max value. Additionally, a Cue List to load graphs in the show order, and which could play audio samples from a touch/midi input would be extremely useful for many theatrical applications. Often the users of this kind of tool simultaneously need complex setup options and limited performance options to prevent unintentional input. |
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This is a great idea. adding MIDI control for recalling graphs would be awesome. |
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They can be recalled if you're using a SubGraph + the normal MIDI program change built-in (see left nav panel) |
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Thanks for the info. Could you explain the way to do this ? MAybe a youtube quick tuto ? It would be useful for a newbie like myself... |
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In the 0.46.6 you can do it with a sub graph and using the MIDI program feature on the node: Right click on the graph editor "plugins" -> "element" -> "graph" this creates a graph with in a graph. Presets should work with that. I don't think many people out there are using subgraphs, so it's not really tested much except by me (subgraph + presets). Good luck! |
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honestly, that is super confusing! [ big question mark over head ] |
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What I do is run Amplitube 5 in STAND ALONE MODE because it sounds better, send the audio out to my BOSS se-70, back in and then to ELEMENT. From there I have a chain in parallel of my time based effect PLUGINS, like Valhalla, Eventide, PSP Audioware, Kuassa ETC. NEXT i use my midi controller which is a FRACTAL AUDIO MFC-101 MK-1 as the brain to control everything. Setting CC commands to either turn ON/OFF plugins or MUTE/UN-MUTE... and at that point I use my MFC-101 to make presets. ...The problem comes in with, lets say I am using Valhalla SUPERMASSIVE and I need 2 other presets... I will have to load 2 other instances of that preset, put them in the chain and then assign a midi CC #BUTTON to them!!! I quickly run out of buttons however my CPU sky rockets because of all the extra instances being open - that in turns KILLS the audio quality - whereas once I hit 70%-80%, with the way AMPLITUBE 5 IS CODED [with this bloated GUI ], the moment i switch presets in it, due to the higher CPU usages, which is due to having to have so many instances of plugins open because i can run presets ETC... i get a cap on my CPU and the audio scrambles... The FIX.REMEDY for this and a great many of other people and ZOLAIVE], would be to, create a SIMPLE way , where we can SAVE PRESETS PER INSTANCE OF A PLUGIN AND THEN ASSIGN MIDI CC & MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE to switch between them. Basically using them like an actual EFFECTS RACK MOUNT - thus turning the system into a BOB BRADSHAW RIG, with the use of VST PLUGS. ....So i leave the it as 1 SESSION AND EVERYTHING IN THE AUDIO CHAIN, WHERE IT NEEDS OT BE, THEN TURN ON AND OFF AS IF NEED PER PRESET PER THE MIDI FOOT CONTROLLERS (PC & CC) ......I my own words outside of that the system never crashes and is tour-ready. [ NOTE ] this feature would CHANGE EVERYTHING for guitar players globally. As everyone makes great plugins but FOR SOME ODD PHUCKING REASON, NONE OF THEM PUT MIDI CC/ MIDI PC FUNCTIONALITY IN THEM, moreover being able to change presets! If this can already be done, please point me to the proper direction on HOW TO do it! #cheersSo you can get a massively better ideal of what we as guitarist are referring too, check this video(s) out: |
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Being able to use Element with midi CC / midi program change on PRESETS OF THE PLUGINS... Basically turning a plugin instance into a RACK MOUNT EFFECT DEVICE, where we can make presets and switch them according to assigned midi cc/ midi program changes - using midi learn to make it even easier. As apposed to making 5 instances of 1 plugin, just to have 5 presets at ready, exactly like we would use a real real: So you can get a massively better ideal of what we as guitarist are referring too, check this video(s) out: |
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I started this: https://gitlab.com/kushview/element/-/issues/689 to begin detailing some of the stuff in this thread. Just so that I'm clear, when you're saying "recall" graphs you mean to load a graph, not just change graphs in the session? What would recalling actually do? replace the current/active graph? Append it to the session? |
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I'd like to create audio chains (let's say "FX chains") for my guitar tones, by connecting some audio plugins (VST, VST3...) together within Element (let's call them "graphs" or "sub-graphs ?). |
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I believe this might be a bit confusing because the unused graphs seem to
be loaded into memory even when not in use so that they can be quickly
selected. Personally, I think that only the "next" and "previous" graphs in
a cue list should be pre-loaded to reduce the CPU load. The user could also
define "favorite" sub-graphs to be made available for quick random
selection. Basiclly I think everyone wants Element to work equally well for
both a guitar player using a midi pedalboard to modify plugin parameters
via midi CC messages along with midi BNK/PGM messages to load graphs, as
well as for a FOH soundman using a touchscreen laptop to recall graphs in a
similar way, but via a GUI. Both users want to seamlessly (without audio
dropouts) recall a collection of plugins and their wiring via a single
action. Additionally, a soundman also wants to be able to view a scene to
edit it without being required to load that scene for processing. (I'm
starting to think Element might eventually replace my Waves SoundGrid rack
by using Dante + DVS + Element + Waves). Keep up the good work!
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I'd like to create audio chains (or FX chains) by connecting some audio
plugins (VST, VST3...) together with Element (let's call them "graphs" ?).
I'm a guitar players and I'd like to change my guitar tone "live" while
playing a song during a concert.
So the idea would be able to load several sub-graphs within a grap. Those
sub-graps would be connected in parallel, with only one sub-graph "on" and
the others "off" (muted), so that the guitar tone shoud be the tone you get
with the sub-graph that is "on".
The question is can we change the status ("on/off) of all the sub-graps,
at once, with a single MIDI message.
I mean you push one pedal of a MIDI foot controller to send a MIDI message
to element so that the sub-graph you want to be active goes from "muted" to
"on", the previous sub-graph that was "on" goes muted and the other
sub-graph that was previoulsy muted stay muted...
SO, yes the idea is to replace the current/active sub-graph by another one
using a single MIDI message.
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@ giantpterodactyl. I 100% agree with you about the CPU load ! |
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Hi everyone, |
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Element doesn't have Cue lists yet, so that's not an option. You can accomplish what you want by adding multiple graphs on a Session each with the MIDI program number set. The graphs will change when program messages arrive. Graphs can be exported from the main menu. These exported graphs can be added to any other session. The downfall is users who have and need alot of graphs get a huge CPU hit because all graphs stay loaded even when not active. This is so there is zero delay while moving from graph to graph. I did some experimenting to with-demand graph loading using a sub "Graph" node + presets and the Node programs feature. Unfortunately sub graphs don't recall presets (bug). I've also been pondering the idea of adding an "Unload when not active" function to root graphs.... but I think the real fix is to add Cue lists as its own feature which can on-demand load graphs, place, and connect where needed. |
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mfisher31 says : "I've also been pondering the idea of adding an "Unload when not active" function to root graphs.... but I think the real fix is to add Cue lists as its own feature which can on-demand load graphs, place, and connect where needed." WHAOUH ! It would be so GREAT for guitar players which need to use pedalboard simulations with VSTs !! Thanks for the effort. I think it would be an alternative to hardware racks such as Fractal Audi Axe FX or Line6 Helix. The only soft that can simulate a pedalboard without consuming CPU seems to be Blue Cat's PatchWork but it's not as "friendly" as Element as far as connecting plugins together is concerned. I love the way you can connect plugins in Element with some kind of virtual cables. For my usage, the only feature missing with Element is what we're talking here. So, EITHER saving graphs in a session and activating the "saved graphs" (presets) with Program Changes without using too much CPU OR using a cue list... would be GREAT. Plogue bidule can save and load presets but it has the same CPU limits (all presets being loaded even when not active) (I already use it as a virtual pedalboard thanks to a Bidule Forum's member I used to know. He had found a way to do this... but it was quite complicated to do...) |
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Hi mfisher31, |
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Not yet. Element is in a feature freeze while I work out a 1.0 release. Cue lists I think will come in 1.1 or 1.2, don't quote me :) |
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Thanks a lot for the news.
Understood.
Have a nice day.
Olivier
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Hi there. Any news ? Will Christmas be the D Day ? Will Element become a great virtual Guitar FX Rack ? |
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Nope :). I wish that were the case though. Getting pretty close to releasing a 1.0, after which, I'll go back to adding features for 1.1 |
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I'd like to use Element as a guitar effect rack. I mean, I'd like to create "presets"(audio chains) by connecting VST FX plugins (amp sims). Then I'd like to save these presets giving them a name and then I'd like to change from one preset to another with a MIDI foot controller (such as the FCB 1010). Lots of amp sim have these features but only with their own FX plugin. I'd like to use different amp sim plugins to build my guitar effect presets and use them live (concert).
Can Element do that and how ?
Thanks a lot for answering.
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